From Convent to Sobriety to Faith, Gina’s Journey

What happens when every dream you've had shatters before your eyes? Gina Economopoulos never imagined her life's path would lead from bartending to twelve years in a convent, then to finding her fiancé dead a month before their wedding day. Yet through these devastating losses, something remarkable emerged.

Gina's raw, honest conversation reveals the soul-crushing moments when faith seems impossible. "When my mother died, I literally died," she shares, describing the spiritual void that launched her search for meaning. Her subsequent journey through religious life, rejection, grief, and ultimately alcoholism paints a portrait of a woman continually forced to "shake the dust off her feet and walk" – a biblical inspiration that later became the title of her memoir.

The turning point came unexpectedly in an AA meeting, where Gina discovered her own alcoholism while seeking to understand her late fiancé's struggles. This revelation began her road to recovery and a transformed relationship with faith. "God did for me what I couldn't do for myself," she reflects, describing the gradual rebuilding of trust in divine purpose despite her suffering.

Today, Gina channels her experiences as an end-of-life doula, bringing comfort and dignity to those in their final days. Her work embodies the full-circle nature of her journey – from questioning God at her mother's deathbed to now helping others transition peacefully, regardless of their beliefs.

Gina's story offers profound hope for anyone facing seemingly insurmountable challenges. Her message isn't about avoiding pain but finding purpose through it: "You're not alone. Do not give up." Connect with Gina through her website GinaEcon.com or find her book "Shake the Dust Off Your Feet and Walk" on Amazon.

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Chapters

• 0:29 Meet Gina Campiopolis
• 4:49 Early Life and Mother's Passing
• 11:01 Twelve Years as a Catholic Nun
• 14:46 Life After the Convent
• 19:56 Finding Sobriety and Faith Again
• 26:34 Work as an End-of-Life Doula
• 31:16 Shake the Dust Off Your Feet
• 35:29 Message of Hope and Closing

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:15

Hello everyone, thanks again for joining me on another episode of the Dorsuos show. Today we have a special guest with us. Her name is Gina in Campiopolis. She was born in Syracuse, new York, to a strong Italian and Greek loving family. She graduated from Eastern Connecticut State University and bartended before embarking on a 12-year convent journey after her mother's passing, settled on the Jersey Shore, gina now works as an end-of-life doula, extending a compassionate heart to those in their final chapter. She found solace and sobriety as a proud Alcoholics Anonymous member, and her story of resilience through tragedy and faith inspires others to face life challenges. Gina, thank you so much for coming on the show today, well thank you for having me.

Speaker 2: 1:27

It's a joy and a pleasure to be with you today.

Speaker 1: 1:29

Absolutely Well. I'd like to open up with some icebreaker questions, and today's icebreaker question is did you, what did you want to be when you were a kid, and why?

Speaker 2: 1:45

Okay, when I was a kid, I wanted to grow up and get married at the age of 18, have five kids. By that time I turned 25. I just wanted to be a house mom, a house mom and a wife, because, just from growing up in a large family and seeing my parents, the love they have, and that's what I wanted to do. So Did that happen? Oh, of course not. You know what they say. Yeah, that was not. I did not realize that was not in my plan or in God's plan for me. I should say I thought it was my plan because that's what I wanted, like every little girl, right, I was not very ambitious to go and work, I just wanted to have a large family.

Speaker 1: 2:34

What would you like to speak about today on the show? Is there anything specific that you want to talk about?

Speaker 2: 2:43

Really nothing specific. Well, I guess you know giving the message of hope and strength, and because in my life I've been through a lot of like we all have right, we all have a story to tell. Like we all have right, we all have a story to tell and I guess to share in my story is that how I never gave up Perseverance, just kept moving forward and then, in the long run, it took a while for me in hindsight to say, wow, God was with me every step of the way, whether I realized it or not, God was with me every step of the way, whether I realized it or not, which, most of the time when I was in that pain and suffering, transition time of that darkness, you know where is God? Who is God? So my journey was like not knowing God, knowing God, not liking him and now loving him. So whatever you'd like me to share, I'd be more than happy to share.

Speaker 1: 3:45

Well, you just mentioned your story. Can you share with us a little bit about your story, to myself and to my audience?

Speaker 2: 3:55

Yes, I can. As you had shared, I was born on Long Island. Like I said, I was from one of eight kids, the seventh child, a great childhood, unconditional love for my parents, went to college, got a four-year degree and, of course, I was raised Catholic. I received all my sacraments, but yet, once I went to college, I didn't need God, I didn't need the church, not that I didn't believe. I just was one of those.

Speaker 2: 4:23

To be honest with you, I was searching for love and acceptance in all the wrong places. I wasn't really comfortable in my own skin. To be honest, I didn't like myself. In hindsight, I was insecure. So you know, as a child growing up being insecure, yes, I got the love from my parents, which I know it was God, now God's love, but yet I was just searching for the material things, for the, you know, for other things, like I said, in all the wrong places. So so I went through college, I got a degree in social work and, as well as I became a great pool shark, and so that was like my, yes, my two degrees, and at that point my life was like, oh, I wanted to have fun in life, just have fun. And so I went to go live with my family.

Speaker 2: 5:13

My parents moved from Long Island, pennsylvania, harrisburg, the capital, over there, and so I went to go live with them and I had to get a job. And so I got a bartending job because it was social work. It was in that scene that I felt very comfortable in. Like, everybody knew me, I have a personality plus, so I was able to talk to everyone. But as a bartender it's like, like I said, like a social worker, they come in, share your problems and then you kind of like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Then you take their money and you let them go. You don't have to deal with paperwork, you don't have to deal with the government, which I, to be honest with you, I was not a, I'm not good in paperwork or government, or I barely graduated from college, but yet, you know, god had carried me through all that. And then, as I'm bartending now, I have a new goal in life, and my new goal is that I'm going to be working the hospitality field, you know, work on a cruise line, the love boat, like a cruise director, yes, and because I guess I was looking for the easy way, life, you know, just to have fun, and so I did.

Speaker 2: 6:30

I applied to cruise lines and but during that time my mother was diagnosed with cancer, with bone cancer, and she was given four to six months to live terminally ill. And this was back in 1991. And it just so happens that I was home. I was home when she had this diagnosis. All of my other seven siblings were on their own, like whether they were married. My younger brother went off to college, so I wasn't going to leave my father with my mom in this condition, so I stayed.

Speaker 2: 7:09

It wasn't a hard choice. I just because the love I have for my parents and I did and I stayed and I took care of my mom with my dad and that's where prayer came back into my life, that's where going back to church and that's where I was bargaining with God. If I pray this, heal my mom. If I pray this, heal my mom. But ultimately, like I said, she had bone cancer. So she died in five months and I was 23 years old and when she died I literally died.

Speaker 2: 7:41

I didn't have any faith, I didn't have any hope, I didn't have any love and I didn't have any God in my life like a relationship. I knew who God was, but not in a relationship. So I did searching because at the wake, everyone kept saying she's with God, she's with God. And I was like, who is this God person? And why did he take my mom? So I went back into the church to say, hey, you know, god, I don't want to talk to you, but I want to talk to my mom.

Speaker 2: 8:10

And so, as time went on, as I continued to go into the church and praying and I do believe my mother prayed for me too as well that I had a spiritual lightning. I felt like St Paul conversion, like wow, there is Jesus, there's the resurrection. And then I was like, yeah, I got it, Something that I should have gotten at Easter time. Here I got at my mom's death and I'm flying high in this conversion, one would say. So what did I do? I go join the nunnery. I became a Catholic nun. So I was a Catholic nun for 12 years in the South Bronx.

Speaker 1: 9:42

Oh, wow. How does your faith shape your healing journey through personal traumas?

Speaker 2: 9:53

Well, like I said, my faith. At first I didn't really have a faith and then, as with the situation with my mom's death and with the searching and becoming a sister, of course I had faith. You know, at that moment I was faithful. You know I had faith, knowing that, okay, this is my life. Once again, when I enter, I go this is my life, I'm going to spend and dedicate my whole life to God and the church and to this community. But yet, 12 years later, I got kicked out. So it was like, okay, you know, there goes that dream or goal or whatever.

Speaker 2: 10:30

Now I'm in my 40s and I endured a lot of hardship during the convent days, my religious life. I mean, like I said the last words, they said to me that you don't belong here anymore. And so why was that? Well, you know, in hindsight I look back. First of all, I don't think my faith was matured because I endured a lot and if I was the person I am today, back then I wouldn't have put up with anything. And the way I looked at it is that the sisters we just clashed, we just like, they had one spirit, I had another spirit. They were trying to confine me into their spirit which was like strapped, and meanwhile, by nature, I'm a free spirit, loving person, and they were trying to change me and I didn't realize it and I was going against the grain.

Speaker 2: 11:27

And I stayed because I was in final vows. I stayed because I was in a marriage. I stayed because in my sixth, seventh year of religious life, I kept questioning myself do I really belong here? Because I'm not happy. This is going on, this is going on, but yet I stayed. I persevered because I married God. You know, god called me to this vocation and then, going through, I was sent away. I went for therapy. The sisters just didn't know what to do with me and then, at the end, they had the strength enough to say, hey, this is not for you, this life is not for you. And I'm like, I mean, for 12 years, you know, I put my blood, sweat and tears. I go what's going on here? So I did, I left. I mean, in hindsight it was the worst day, but then it became my best day because I wasn't meant to be there. I mean, god fulfilled one vocation, giving my life to him, and I had great blessings there and great trauma, but yet at the same time, you know, god kept, you know, saying okay, I have another plan for you, another door to open, another door. And at that time, when you asked about my faith, I just kept moving along. Okay, god, okay, god, you know, okay, you're God, I married you. I don't understand what's going on. I don't understand why religious people hurt me. I don't understand all this, but I'm just going to keep moving forward.

Speaker 2: 12:53

So from there, after the convent, I went to go live with men and women with disabilities, and they were autism and Down syndrome, and so they were adults, and so I was their house mother syndrome, and so they were adults, and so I was their house mother. I stayed with them and I experienced a lot of love from them. It was like a transition time. I couldn't come back into the world. I mean, I was like what's the world? I mean I lived an austere life. I slept on the floor, I didn't have couches, a lot of things, I didn't have material things. So I, when I lived with the men and women with disabilities, I was loved. It was a transition.

Speaker 2: 13:34

I was learning to come back to life, to live in the life in the world, and I did that for two years and then, as my faith was still there. You know, I still had this relationship with God. You know I'm still questioning what's going going on, what do you want in my life? But I kept moving forward. I was very broken when I left the convent, so I needed a lot of healing. There was a lot of anger, unforgiveness within moving forward, moving forward.

Speaker 2: 14:08

And then I decided to do what Gina wanted to do, because I felt like I was doing what everybody else wanted to do in my life, that I came to the Jersey Shore because I love the beach. The beach is where heaven and earth meets Came here, found I didn't. I learned how to rent an apartment I'm like now in my 40s and then I had to get a job. Right, gina had to get a job and what does she know how to do? She knows how to bartend.

Speaker 2: 14:38

So I went back to bartending and at this point I mean, I wasn't really angry with God. I was still with God. I was still practicing my faith at the time, going to church, bartending, and I said, okay, god, what's my next path? What do you want of me? And then, bartending, I met a guy because at this point I realized that I'm not going to be a religious sister anymore, that I will meet a guy. So I met this guy named Danny, great guy. I said, ok, god, this is it right. Another plan in my life, another goal that him and I, you know, be together, live in Timbuktu, whatever, have a house. Always wanted a house. Maybe not kids, because I'm in my 40s now I won't have those five kids that I wanted years ago, but I'll have a man in my life to be with.

Speaker 2: 15:38

Well, it turns out that he was an alcoholic and I didn't realize that, and he was drinking at the time and, to make a real long story short, he was fighting his own demons and he did. He found sobriety, which is, you know, he was a great man, simply sick and he was one day at a time finding sobriety. He found it out West. And then we had another plan I'm going to move out West with him and we're going to, you know, support his sobriety. I was going to Al-Anon, which is a 12-step probe, but yet, as he was traveling, he has a story himself that he ultimately got into a tragic car accident and he burned up. His mother was with him, driving because they were going to end up at West, but I wasn't in the car at the time because I was working. The mother died, he burned up and we ended up in Indianapolis, indiana. So I'm like, okay, and he survived the fire. It was a car accident, he was on fire and everything is like, okay, god, you survived, he's not going to drink, everything will be fine. Well, what does an alcoholic do when they're in pain? You know, in trauma, they drink. So he picked up, he started drinking again.

Speaker 2: 16:59

Then, ultimately, I ended up finding him dead a few months later, and so that was my darkest point, my ending point. Like at this point I kept okay, god, I believe, okay God, everything's going. And then when I found Danny dead a month before wedding day, I was like what's my purpose? Is my purpose to suffer? It's like I felt like Gina, like, as you heard, I had all these dreams, these goals, and nothing was fulfilled. And then, at this point, when Danny died, I was like I give up, I give up, I'm done, I'm done. I have to be honest, not that I didn't believe in God, I just didn't like him. I did not like him. I was like I hated him because of what he did. I was like I can't believe, I blamed him with my whole life. I'm like here I'm being a good person, everyone loves me, and here, you know, the sisters reject me, and then I find a man and then you take him away, and so I you know this all happened in Indiana when he died and I was with him, and so I came back to Jersey.

Speaker 2: 18:11

It was, I was just simply existing. I was just like in such a dark place, saying, okay, give it to Gina, she'll suffer. It was like no hope. I didn't have any hope. I didn't have any love, I didn't have any faith and I just to me, that's the existence of hell when you're in that kind of state of mind and being.

Speaker 2: 18:33

But then yet God did for me what I couldn't do for myself, that he carried me. And once again I was searching, searching for the meaning why Danny died, being an alcoholic and other people are sober. So that's what brought me into the rooms of AA, just listening, and then, a long story short, I come to realize, wow, I'm an alcoholic. So it was like and that's where God, you know, that's where God did for me what I couldn't do for myself, and that's where I developed a real deep spiritual relationship not a religion part or spiritual with God. And then in that it's like, wow, I've, you know, god willing, in April I'll have 10 years of sobriety.

Speaker 2: 19:21

So, yeah, so at the same time, you know God I mean in the rooms we call it higher power and I had to relearn about God. I had to relearn about higher power because I was, because I know who God was and I know who God is because I married him. But then I also know what happened to me and I was like this can't be God, why is he doing this to me and so I just had to relearn and the Rooms of AA brought me a new relationship with God, a new life where I am free. So today I'm a sober, faithful woman of God. That my faith has grown.

Speaker 2: 20:02

And now, just recently, in the last few years, I started adding the scriptures, I started adding the church and everything like that to to help me grow in who I am today a child of God, a sober woman, a faith of God, and now I just love God because of what he's done in my life. And that's where I share this and I wrote my book, my memoir, last summer to spread the word that it's called Shake the Dust Off your Feet and Walk. It's a scripture verse which is exactly what happened in my whole life Kept shaking the dust and kept walking. And today I still do. Today I still do. So that question of my faith, you know, today is a lot stronger and now I know I could handle life on life's terms, whatever comes my way. You know, with God and for him and with the tools of the program and just, and also seeing where I was and where I am today, I'm a much better place. I'm in the light today. So what?

Speaker 1: 21:06

what do you think kept you? I mean, obviously you said it multiple times that you knew that God was there and that he, you know, helped you to go through everything, that God was there and that he helped you go through everything. But yet there were times in your life when you said where is God? I don't trust God and whatnot. What made you not walk away from that relationship or from that meaning that with God? What kept you from not walking away and saying you know, forget it, I quit, you know.

Speaker 2: 21:45

Oh, that's a great question because there's not a perfect answer, I don't know why. Look back now, because that's what moves me today is truly His grace and His mercy that kept me going. His love kept me going, without me realizing it, and I believe it's probably many people's prayers. I believe I love that scripture out of the depths of my heart. I cry out to you, Lord and boy, that was my prayer throughout that time. Out of the depths, I cry out to you. I cry out to you, Lord and boy. That was my prayer throughout that time. Out of the depths, I cry out to you. I cry out to you, even though I didn't want to give up or, to be honest with you, it wasn't that I felt like I gave up in a way like what's the next trauma going to happen to me? Bring it on, bring it on, you know.

Speaker 1: 22:34

I mean, I really wanted to die, but he was still there with you, even when you said I give up. You know he was still with you during those times.

Speaker 2: 22:46

Yes, exactly, I did not know it, of course, because it was so filled with darkness. I always this is how I kind of describe my life is that throughout my life, as I said, I was searching, I was insecure and, as situations happen, like my insides, this wall kept getting built up, this wall, this wall. And then, by the time Danny died, my wall was so thick and so dark. With inside me, it was like so concrete and cold and wet. I was like okay, and that's you know. I didn't know how I was going to get out of it. I really did not know, or where I was sort of like confined. I was like okay, like I said, I was like bring it on, my purpose is to suffer. I would never kill myself, but I did pray to die. I prayed, like you know, god, please don't let me wake up tomorrow morning. And here I am. I woke up tomorrow morning. What do I do? Okay, push myself.

Speaker 2: 23:44

I did get a job, but I didn't smile for about a year or two after Danny's death. I didn't want to smile. I didn't want, I didn't. I see everyone else having a good life and I'm like that's not going to happen to me.

Speaker 2: 23:57

And, as I said, you know, god did for me what I couldn't do for myself. When he brought me into the rooms of AA and when I realized that that was kind of like my problem, like I was running away from because I should have used I could have used these rooms 30 years ago with my drinking, but I didn't because I was sort of like running. I was. You know, I was an escaped artist. I love to escape life.

Speaker 2: 24:20

I built up a false identity Smile over here but meanwhile my insides would be so painful that what am I going to do to ease that pain? So I do like today I can say it was truly God that did for me what I couldn't do for myself and I just thank him and I do believe when I do die on his terms, on his way, I'll see it all. Aha, that's why you know, that's why, whatever, maybe I wouldn't see it. I mean that's like okay, I don't want to see because I'm with you, god, that's it now I mentioned in the introduction, you know that you're now an end of life.

Speaker 1: 25:05

Doula, can you explain to me and my audience what exactly that is and how did you go into that? You know that life or that?

Speaker 2: 25:18

Yeah, end of life doula is a. It's a holistic way of being with someone who is dying. It's non-medical, so it's not like a nurse. I don't work for hospice I I I'm present to the dying, like my services. Whatever they want of me, the families may call me and say I have so-and-so. Can you talk to them? Yes, I go talk to them and it depends on what they want. If they want me to just to sit there and be quiet, I sit there and be quiet. If they want me to pray pray Many of them know I was a former nun, so it brings them comfort.

Speaker 2: 25:59

So, in other words, end of Light Do tries to bring comfort and peace to the dying, as well as to the families during that challenging, difficult time. And the reason why I have a passion for it is that, like I shared with you when I was with my mom, I didn't have that within me. You know, when she died it was like where is she going? What is she doing? You know what's happening. And then, when I experienced the taste of a resurrection, of a piece of heaven, I'm like okay, you know why not, why not be there? You know, and so, and that grew as a sister. For some reason it just grew as it was a seed that was planted when I was a nun, because people that people I knew did not know would call me and say, hey, sister, could you go visit so-and-so they're, you know, johnny's brother's cousin? Whatever they were, you know they're not, they're dying or whatever. And I'd be like, yeah, I would love to. And I just love to because for me what an honor is to give dignity to those who are dying, to give them dignity and respect. Some have families, some don't, you know, and all I'm there is to you know, just whether they're open to it. Some of them are not. I'll pray or just say you know, it's okay, it's, you know, god's comfort, whatever faith. You know I work with all faith denominations and have whatever they think I do.

Speaker 2: 27:28

I believe that there's, there's a peace in heaven. That's not of this. You know, that's in another world, that we're all called to go to embrace Jesus. That's mine. Some people may have some other peaceful place that they're going and it's like okay, that's okay Because you know, I mean you can have your peace here on earth, right, I mean in accepting God's plan for us for today and you find peace and you know, accept the cross, like the sufferings and the pains, like, yes, yes, I do it for you, god, you know, and that you could find that peace. But yet there are many people that may not have that peace, and so, as an end of life, doula, I offer my services of being with them as well as being with the family too. It all depends, it really depends. There's no one way or right way. When I am called to go with someone, I pray, listen, try to hear what the Spirit is saying in my life, what to do, what not to do, just to bring that comfort and peace and knowing that they're not alone.

Speaker 1: 28:39

Yeah, Do you get to minister to the people or to the family at all? Yes, or is that like off?

Speaker 2: 28:48

I don't know. It all depends. I have to test it out.

Speaker 2: 28:52

Yes yes, for instance, last year I wasn't exactly an end-of-life doula at first, but I answered this, I was able to go on the role of as an end of life doula and meanwhile, you know, I had to be careful because some people don't want to hear it, some people don't, so it's like, oh yeah, and I just share about my experience. You know, and usually when they are at their end and they can't talk you know that's where they can't talk I'll whisper in their ears and I'll be like, you know, when you meet Jesus, give a hug to Jesus, give a hug to my mom, give a hug to my dad, to Danny. You're going to have a whole line and at the same time I pray for them like I intercede for them, inviting the angels to come, heaven to come and open up, you know, to open up that peace for this person.

Speaker 1: 29:59

So you mentioned about your book. You know, Take the Dust Off your Feet and Walk. What inspired you to write it and who do you hope it will reach, will reach.

Speaker 2: 30:11

Yes, I wrote it because of my personal situation, like my personal experience in life. I started writing it after Danny died. I was in such a dark place that I felt journaling and writing out my pain. And as I was writing out the pain of my situation at the time, the pain of the sisters came up which I held on to. I didn't, I didn't, you know, nobody knew, nobody knew. I wrote that out. My experience there and then, even in my childhood like, like I said, I had great family but I didn't like myself. There was that pain of insecurity wrote all that out and I wrote that like 10, 11 years ago after Danny died, and that was 180 pages. I put that aside.

Speaker 2: 30:54

Now I go on my journey. Like I said, I'm in recovery. I'm now in a new life and a few years ago I was talking to a friend of mine who likes to write too and I said, hey, would you like to read these 180 pages? I really don't. And when she read it she goes right now, right where you are today.

Speaker 2: 31:11

So that's what my book and my memoir is from my journey through pain and suffering and how I kept going forward and forward. And who I want to reach today is to people, to give them that message of hope and strength, is to let them know that you're not alone. Do not give up. I'm not here to take away their pain. That's what I've learned. We all have our own problems or disabilities or things like that. We can't take that away from them their own situations, their own grief. I'm not there to take it away. But from reading my story, yeah, just know that you're not alone, that you're loved, that somebody's gone through it, that there is a God, that there's somebody greater than you and me that has saved us and that is with us Amen as you continue on your journey.

Speaker 1: 32:05

What are your hopes and goals for the future, both personally and in terms of helping others, both personally and in?

Speaker 2: 32:13

terms of helping others. Well, the goal of my book, well, is to touch many others. I'm also trying to promote myself as an inspirational speaker, motivational speaker to share to people, not to give up. This book was really written for me because of continuing more healing for me and to say, wow, and when you look at yourself and when you write it out, you're like, not only I'm continuing to be healed, then I'm able to help others to be healed. So that is my goal is hoping that my story, my memoir, even if it's from word of mouth to say hey, or from someone handing my book to someone to say you got this, you got this, and also for those who are in a good place, it's also for those who aren't a good place because they're like, hey, look where I am today, it's full of gratitude, it just shows how, wow, I'm grateful for what I have today. And to spread that gratitude, because a lot of people, as we know I mean there's so many people throughout the world that are suffering and that needs that encouragement, that word of God or something, something like a light that needs that light. So I hope it.

Speaker 2: 33:33

My goal is to bring light to the darkness, light to all, no matter what, and it doesn't have to be an alcoholic or anything. It's for all those suffering, grieving you name it pain that feels hopeless. It doesn't matter what your situation, but know that there is, that there is faith and that there is a God, a higher power, someone there that's working behind the scenes, and I see that now and I try to spread that to others. Whether they see it or not, it doesn't matter, but if they hear it, seeds were planted for me years ago. It's like aha. Now I understand.

Speaker 1: 34:18

Absolutely and as we know. You know the Bible and I know the verse. I just don't remember where it is at the moment, but the Bible tells us that we will have trials and tribulations in our lives. You know, regardless of who we are and regardless of what we go through, we will have those trials and tribulations that we face.

Speaker 2: 34:39

And you know, as a Christian, we have the cross to look to right, Because Jesus had the trials and the tribulations in this life. He had the ultimate. And I'm not just saying, as Christians, we turn to pick up your cross and follow me. So it's like, but those are hard words to do. That's really painful, yeah, and I do. The last thing I'll say is that I do believe it's truly a grace from God, like it's God's grace, it's his. Like St Paul had the conversion on his head, you know, when he fell off the horse. That was a graceful moment and I believe graces are out there for all of us as long as we I mean we try to be open to it. You know, open and receive and be honest and willing.

Speaker 1: 35:28

Where can people buy your book and connect with you if they would like to connect with you or get you to speak on their podcast or come and speak to their group?

Speaker 2: 35:41

Yes, my book is called Shake the Dust Off your Feet and Walk you. It's available on Amazon. Or you could look at my website, which is GinaEconcom. My website, which is GinaEconcom GinaEconcom, where anyone contact me about any question or anything whatever. I'm here to listen, to pray, to listen, you know, whatever I'm here, I'm open to anyone and to really encourage each one of us. We're like cheerleaders. You could do it. I'm the biggest cheerleader there is if you want a cheerleader on your side.

Speaker 1: 36:21

Well, gina, thank you so much for coming on the show today. We greatly appreciate having you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it Absolutely. Well, guys and girls, thank you so much for tuning in Again. Please go and like and check out Xena's website and Xena's book. And please go and like and check out my website as well. And until next time, hopefully, you are encouraged and inspired by Xena's story. God bless, bye-bye.